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Salvos Rhoska 2627	Posted - 2017.03.30 07:10:47 - [1] - Quote If someone leaves due to being blown up, there is little we or CCP can do about that. If you follow the Golden Rules, being destroyed hurts, but doesnt cripple you. Also following the Golden Rules makes you less likely to be destroyed in the first place. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2627	Posted - 2017.03.30 10:53:40 - [2] - Quote Leave the legit fresh noobs alone. Let them grow before the harvest. Or even recruit them. Its just stupid and does all of us a disservice to gank them. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2627	Posted - 2017.03.30 10:54:44 - [3] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Gameplay =/= bullying. If actual bullying is going on, the forums are not the place to report it. File a ticket. But if someone shoots at you in game, that is gameplay, not bullying. This is a PVP game, and if you aren't prepared for the PVP environment that it offers, then that is on you. Lol, he is back. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2630	Posted - 2017.03.30 11:02:16 - [4] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: I even got sweet revenge on the player who paid for the Assassination contract by having a friend sell him fake nonexistent 'Rage' chat logs for 3 bill ISK. :o Thats deep. o7 PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2632	Posted - 2017.03.30 11:58:39 - [5] - Quote Leave the legit fresh noobs alone. Sure you can gank them, and harvest tears, but really? PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2635	Posted - 2017.03.30 12:41:31 - [6] - Quote Dom Arkaral wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Leave the legit fresh noobs alone. Sure you can gank them, and harvest tears, but really? I'd rather gank a legit newbro and point him towards some pvp group than let him burn out on mining lmao I've seen more people quit because of mining than people quitting over getting ganked or because of pvp.. Yeah, I understand. But atleast reimburse his loss after teaching him that lesson. Its peanuts to us, but a fortune to them. Mining too is necessary in EVE and some truly do want to do it. You can point him to a PvP corp as well, and he will probably begin to understand the difference between predator and prey in EVE. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2636	Posted - 2017.03.30 13:07:21 - [7] - Quote Dom Arkaral wrote: as long as they don't have a cancer attitude towards me Reimburse them anyways. You got your value in salt if they rage. Its a fair exchange. It takes time for noobs to "get" EVE. Most have never played anything like this before. Many pirates are ex-miners. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2637	Posted - 2017.03.30 13:36:11 - [8] - Quote Dom Arkaral wrote: I don't mine... I'd rather punch myself in the balls repeatedly until they're numb or non-existent than to subject myself to that lmao Sure, yet its clear people have been mining for years in huge amounts. People want to do different things in EVE, bro. Thats what makes all of this possible. We are all interdependent. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2637	Posted - 2017.03.30 13:42:05 - [9] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: DeMichael Crimson wrote: Thanks guys, that happened in 2011. Lost a T2 / Faction fit T3 Loki Cruiser and pod with full set of +5 attribute implants and full set of 5% hardwiring implants for various ship needs. Total cost to replace ship, equipment and implants was 2.3 bill which was easily replaced within 24 hrs. The main thing that bummed me out was it took 4 days to retrain the lost skill level on Loki sub-system. I can feel with you. I once lost a Catalyst, it was a very traumatic experience. I can still remember it, it was in 2014 Sure. But did you cash in 3bil by selling false rage logs thereafter? Cmon, you gotta o7 that. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2637	Posted - 2017.03.30 14:04:55 - [10] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: DeMichael Crimson wrote: Thanks guys, that happened in 2011. Lost a T2 / Faction fit T3 Loki Cruiser and pod with full set of +5 attribute implants and full set of 5% hardwiring implants for various ship needs. Total cost to replace ship, equipment and implants was 2.3 bill which was easily replaced within 24 hrs. The main thing that bummed me out was it took 4 days to retrain the lost skill level on Loki sub-system. I can feel with you. I once lost a Catalyst, it was a very traumatic experience. I can still remember it, it was in 2014 Sure. But did you cash in 3bil by selling false rage logs thereafter? Cmon, you gotta o7 that. I once ganked a guy and he got so mad, he triggered the fake killright on my scout 18 times before he ran out of money and noticed that he basically paid 500mil ISK every time to my other alt. I mean that takes 5h, 15min for every suspect flag And...? You want a o7 for that, though you wouldnt give one to DMC for his 3bil on a false rage log? Wtf, lady. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent

Salvos Rhoska 2638	Posted - 2017.03.30 14:24:21 - [11] - Quote Dom Arkaral wrote: Knowing antigankers, it's probably another lie Plz... Pot meet kettle. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2638	Posted - 2017.03.30 14:29:30 - [12] - Quote Dom Arkaral wrote: I've spent enough time in the AG channels to know I'm right Right about what, exactly? PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2639	Posted - 2017.03.30 14:59:30 - [13] - Quote Jenn vs Chopper >popcorn PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2639	Posted - 2017.03.30 15:02:51 - [14] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: The Ironic thing is that EVE was a more popular game when it was measurably harsher (like when gankers got insurance payouts for ganking Gankers got insurance payout? How is that harsh? :D PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2641	Posted - 2017.03.30 15:07:21 - [15] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: It wasn't' the only thing that was harsh. How was gankers getting insurance payout "harsh"? It was pure free money. Nothing harsh about that. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2641	Posted - 2017.03.30 15:34:17 - [16] - Quote Dom Arkaral wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: The Ironic thing is that EVE was a more popular game when it was measurably harsher (like when gankers got insurance payouts for ganking Gankers got insurance payout! FREE MONEY! How is that harsher? :D Jenn, please. LOL anything killed by CONCORD has no insurance payout.. Please learn game mechanics before making assumptions She was talking about before. Read, bro. CONCORD targets used to get insurance payout. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2641	Posted - 2017.03.30 15:37:11 - [17] - Quote Dom Arkaral wrote: 1- I'm not your "bro" 2- I was editing 3- Miner, calm down 1) :( 2) You where editing cos you fked up. 3) Im not a miner. Im legit CODE Special Agent (see my sig) PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2641	Posted - 2017.03.30 15:42:01 - [18] - Quote Dom Arkaral wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Dom Arkaral wrote: 1- I'm not your "bro" 2- I was editing 3- Miner, calm down 1) :( 2) You where editing cos you fked up. 3) Im not a miner. Im legit CODE Special Agent (see my sig) Yeah right And I'm a goon... ? PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2660	Posted - 2017.03.31 07:44:31 - [19] - Quote Salt extraction is a fine art. Unfortunately many lack the skill/finesse for it, or prefer quantity over quality. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2663	Posted - 2017.04.05 07:43:56 - [20] - Quote Forced Golden Rule checklist everytime you undock in HS. GOLDEN RULE UNDOCK CHECKLIST: ( ) Can you afford to lose what you are flying? ( ) Have you taken precautions? ( ) Do you trust no-one? ( )----> LAUNCH PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent

Salvos Rhoska 2664	Posted - 2017.04.05 08:05:09 - [21] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Forced Golden Rule checklist everytime you undock in HS. GOLDEN RULE UNDOCK CHECKLIST: ( ) Can you afford to lose what you are flying? ( ) Have you taken precautions? ( ) Do you trust no-one? ( )----> LAUNCH MINER SPECIFIC ADDITIONAL UNDOCK CHECKLIST ( ) Do I have a mining permit and is it still valid? ( ) Do I have enough coffee to stay awake and vigilant so I can be the first to great the glorious New Order Agent when he enters the system to enforce the CODE in the name of my Saviour James 315? ( ) Do I really need that ore/ice or could it look greedy and therefore offend someone? CODE SPECIFIC ADDITIONAL UNDOCK CHECKLIST ( ) Are my lips still firmly attached to James 315's buttocks? PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2665	Posted - 2017.04.05 08:22:32 - [22] - Quote Teckos Pech wrote: Coddling players seems to be the problem. Holding their hand seems to be the problem. Because you hold their hand and then you shove into the deep end rather abruptly. This view was first put forward by Salvos. I still hold to this. The new NPE tutorial is TOO good. Lovely graphic popups, excellent guidance, voice acting, etc. The drop into the harsh reality of EVE when it ends is even more fatal than before as a result. The real killer for new players, is their own false expectations. 1) NPE goes away and they hit the ground, hard. 2) Many try to play as they are used to in other safe MMOs, and rudely discover that doesnt fly here. 3) Nobody likes blaming themselves for their mistakes. That is by far the hardest thing to accept, also in EVE. I myself didnt know the specifics of EVE when I started, but I knew the Golden Rules would be all that keeps me alive. That is what saved me. I ran for cover the second I dropped out of NPE, and in many ways, have been doing so ever since. Ones first loss in EVE is the trial by fire. That is when you have to internalize the bitter medicine, that everything that happens to you in EVE, is invariably your own fault. If you can survive that pill, that is when you are truly ready for EVE. The best thing we can do for new players, is religiously, constantly preach them the Golden Rules. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2669	Posted - 2017.04.05 10:29:17 - [23] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: I myself didnt know the specifics of EVE when I started, but I knew the Golden Rules would be all that keeps me alive. That is what saved me. I ran for cover the second I dropped out of NPE, and in many ways, have been doing so ever since. Teckos Pech wrote: I did not know the Golden rules when I started, but I knew EVE was harsh so played very conservatively early on. As I googled around and learned from my own experience I soon realized the value of the Golden rules. Black Pedro wrote: When I eventually tried again I decided to try my hand as a pirate (with some lowsec PI on the side for income - I only left highsec because the PI was so much better in lowsec) and did spend a lot more time reading and learning and got practice moving about lowsec, and by then I had fully absorbed what type of game Eve is so I was following the Golden Rules and comfortable with loss. The Golden Rules are what connect all of our experiences (both as new players and old), and the key to adapting to EVE. I ran for cover. Teckos played conservatively. Pedro managed to unwittingly followed them on his first attempt, and internalized them on his second. All three of these early anecdotal stories accord with the Golden Rules, and arguably, that all of us followed them (knowingly or not), is perhaps why we managed to survive the NPE as guppies in this shark tank, and are all still here. Aside from whatever systemic/mechanic could theoretically be implemented for new players, I am increasingly convinced that the best way to retain players, is to constantly, non-stop, always, with all means possible, indoctrinate new players to the Golden Rules. The best part about that, is we dont need CCP to do that. We can do it ourselves as players. When I login tonight, I will change all my alts profile field to include the Golden Rule checklist I posted previously. Ill also make an image of the Checklist and include it in my sig for others to share. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2669	Posted - 2017.04.05 11:13:07 - [24] - Quote Trasch Taranogas wrote: My first feeling of the deep end was absolute unfairness. Feltgoodman, didnt it. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2672	Posted - 2017.04.05 12:19:43 - [25] - Quote Aaron wrote: it is 100% impossible to lead you and people like you. I dont know the specifics of the rest of what happened, but I do know that the above is never true. It is a leader's job to lead/delegate/organize/bring everyone inline. The buck always stops at the leader, as the person empowered/responsible to enact the above. When an operation fails, its always the leaders fault. Always. (No matter what sub-ordinates did) PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2673	Posted - 2017.04.05 12:58:18 - [26] - Quote Furthermore, a leader needs sergeants he can trust to tell him the truth, and to facilitate an interface to the linemen. I could never have led my squad without my under-sergeants when I was a squad leader, much less my platoon via sergeants when I was promoted to sub-lieutenant, nor been able to report factually to my superior officer for what they need to know to make a call. I relied on and REQUIRED them to tell me their absolutely honest opinion, with no reservations. Anything else would have jeopordised the mission, and each man involved. I trusted them to give me every single detail and concern they had. They trusted me to make the right call. Trust and unadulterated communication was the key. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2673	Posted - 2017.04.05 13:34:27 - [27] - Quote Sasha Nemtsov wrote: taught me to play to my strengths and that any apparent weakness was really an underplayed strength. There were errors, both of judgement and of practice, but I was in turn supported by a very experienced leader, who knew how to communicate to me the what and the why. And that is why I know that a leader never blames those he is supposed to be leading. If the team fails, it is a failure of leadership, and nothing else. Amen. 1) A unit is only as strong as its weakest link. 2) Even that weakest link in the chain has strengths as well. 3) A leader must be aware of and recognize these, re-align the chains links, so as to reinforce the chains integrity. Constantly. 4) If a leader fails to do everything possible to do so, the leader himself becomes the weakest link in the chain. 5) As the foremost weight bearing link in that chain, and the one connected to other chains, the leader thus becomes the worst possible weakness in the chain, with the most far-reaching repercussions. 6) When the leader fails, his unit fails, and so does everyone else dependent on that chains performance in the rest of the web of interconnected chains. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2674	Posted - 2017.04.05 14:04:39 - [28] - Quote Aaron wrote: Salvos, a fleet is a team that must practice teamwork. Fleet members who don't listen disrupt the fleet. There's no way an fc can be responsible for the content of the fleets personalities. It is your unit. You must lead it and hold it together. They are depending on you. If your unit wont follow you, that is always your own fault. Make it happen, by hook or by crook. Make the chain work, make it strong, and fulfill the mission. That is your job as leader. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2677	Posted - 2017.04.05 14:32:20 - [29] - Quote Bjorn Tyrson wrote: Have to say this is one of the more impressive ** measuring contests I've ever seen. and that includes some ACTUAL ** measuring contests. EVE is comprised of people. Never forget that. All of this is the game unfolding, accordingly. For this Drac/Aaron relationship, there are thousands more past, present and future. This, truly, is EVE. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2678	Posted - 2017.04.05 14:39:19 - [30] - Quote Aaron wrote: Well I'm happy to be on your fleets salvos. When we start our venture it will be interesting to see how you deal with people who don't want to listen. All I would say is take it easy there is no leadership in the up and coming venture it is more of a fun partnership among people who want a different perspective.. Ill deal with the people who wont listen, after listening to them. Everyone is not suited for everything. Different perspectives can find common ground towards a unifying goal. This goal cannot be achieved alone by any one of us. We must lead them towards it, together, with their help. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent

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